# Patent: IBIS appears in a Canon DSLR for the first time



## Canon Rumors Guy (Jul 11, 2019)

> A new Canon patent for in-body image stabilization has appeared, and it looks like it is being worked on for DSLRs as well. This is the first time we’ve seen evidence of IBIS appearing in a mirror slapper.
> Northlight says this patent deals with compositional issues and vignetting that could arise when the sensor moves for stability.
> Could we see this in an upcoming DSLR? I think that would be a good thing for the EOS lineup, perhaps we’ll see it in the upcoming EOS 90D or EOS-1D X Mark III.



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## unfocused (Jul 11, 2019)

Is that a pop-up flash on the drawing? And, is that at all relevant to the patent (as an indicator as to what type of DSLR this is planned for)?


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## flip314 (Jul 11, 2019)

inb4 people claiming that Canon is ******* because it only plans IBIS for DSLRs...


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## sdoorex (Jul 11, 2019)

It's about time that Canon is getting IBIS in their DSLRs and it's really useful over just IS lenses. Pentax has had it since 2006 and Sony since 2008 in their mirrored DSLRs.


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## mpb001 (Jul 11, 2019)

Its probably long overdue for IBIS to be installed in DSLRs. I know that Canons lenses have unmatched IBIS in lenses but having it in camera is also a plus when one uses lenses without IBIS.


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## Sharlin (Jul 11, 2019)

unfocused said:


> Is that a pop-up flash on the drawing? And, is that at all relevant to the patent (as an indicator as to what type of DSLR this is planned for)?



I believe they just tend use an x0D as a "default body" in technical drawings.


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## YuengLinger (Jul 11, 2019)

Very surprising. Hedge fund?


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## CovetedPixel (Jul 11, 2019)

IBIS in a DSLR for the first time ever? First evidence of IBIS being used in a "mirror slapper"?

Not sure what you all been smokin', but my Pentax K20D from 2008 (a DSLR or "Mirror Slapper" as you'd call it) had In-Body Sensor based Image Stabilization. So did the K7 that followed and the K5, and the K3 and even the Full Frame K1 and K1mII and I'm sure there were countless other models before and in-between those. So far from the first ever, perhaps the first in a Canon model.


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## Dragon (Jul 11, 2019)

CovetedPixel said:


> IBIS in a DSLR for the first time ever? First evidence of IBIS being used in a "mirror slapper"?
> 
> Not sure what you all been smokin', but my Pentax K20D from 2008 (a DSLR or "Mirror Slapper" as you'd call it) had In-Body Sensor based Image Stabilization. So did the K7 that followed and the K5, and the K3 and even the Full Frame K1 and K1mII and I'm sure there were countless other models before and in-between those. So far from the first ever, perhaps the first in a Canon model.


My Sony A100 had IBIS as did the Minolta 5D and 7D before it. This was a Minolta development that Sony inherited.


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## masterpix (Jul 11, 2019)

It looks like APS-C sensor by the size of it and then pop-up flash. What it means is that Canon did not abandon the DSLR as yet. I hope it means 7D though, but that is my wish alone.


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## LensFungus (Jul 11, 2019)

I agree, it looks like an APS-C camera body but guys, there is no way Canon will introduce it in an cheap APS-C camera first. Yes, there are expensive APS-C options but according to this page the 7D series moved to mirrorless and the 90D, well, the 80D was popular camera among video guys, but no, I don't see it happen. Come on, we're talking Canon. They will give IBIS to the expensive DSLRs and expensive mirrorless cameras first to lure you into buying one of these. It's been the obvious Canon-move for years.


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## CovetedPixel (Jul 11, 2019)

Dragon said:


> My Sony A100 had IBIS as did the Minolta 5D and 7D before it. This was a Minolta development that Sony inherited.


Yes, that's right, also the Olympus DSLR's had it as well, their 4/3 system with mirrors before going to mirrorless micro 4/3, like the E-30 and E-620, probably others


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## unfocused (Jul 11, 2019)

LensFungus said:


> I agree, it looks like an APS-C camera body but guys, there is no way Canon will introduce it in an cheap APS-C camera first. Yes, there are expensive APS-C options but according to this page the 7D series moved to mirrorless and the 90D, well, the 80D was popular camera among video guys, but no, I don't see it happen. Come on, we're talking Canon. They will give IBIS to the expensive DSLRs and expensive mirrorless cameras first to lure you into buying one of these. It's been the obvious Canon-move for years.


So that's why the 70D was the first DSLR to have dual-pixel autofocus. They were trying to lure 1D and 5D buyers to the crazy-expensive 70D. Thanks for your great insight.


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## MintChocs (Jul 12, 2019)

They could introduce it in a rebel series to iron out all the kinks and faults. Once it’s fully working then then the pro cameras will get it.


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## Jethro (Jul 12, 2019)

Or it could go straight into the upcoming 90D as a sweetener in the event that an upgraded version of that camera fills in the gap left by not replacing the 7Dii. And that as a step towards including it in the upcoming high end FF releases over the next 12 months (DSLR and ML).


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## Mt Spokane Photography (Jul 12, 2019)

Patents like this are the result of work done at least 2 years ago and before Canon decided to go full steam ahead on mirrorless. Its not going to happen in today's market where camera sales are dropping so fast.


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## Bennymiata (Jul 12, 2019)

Don't forget, it's only a patent. Not a press release.


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## degos (Jul 12, 2019)

LensFungus said:


> I agree, it looks like an APS-C camera body but guys, there is no way Canon will introduce it in an cheap APS-C camera first.



Of course they will, that's how Canon matures technology before moving it into the 5D and 1D.

It'll go into the mid-tier first and if IBIS v1 is found to fail after 100,000 shots in a 90D then so what, it's only an xxD with a two-year warranty and most users never hit that threshold.

By IBIS v3 they'll be ready to integrate it into the R1 with a shutter-life of 500,000 shots.


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## koenkooi (Jul 12, 2019)

degos said:


> Of course they will, that's how Canon matures technology before moving it into the 5D and 1D.
> 
> It'll go into the mid-tier first and if IBIS v1 is found to fail after 100,000 shots in a 90D then so what, it's only an xxD with a two-year warranty and most users never hit that threshold.
> 
> By IBIS v3 they'll be ready to integrate it into the R1 with a shutter-life of 500,000 shots.



What I'm curious about is which APS-C line they are going to put it in first. A DSLR like the illustration in the patent or in an M series?


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## Memirsbrunnr (Jul 12, 2019)

unfocused said:


> Is that a pop-up flash on the drawing? And, is that at all relevant to the patent (as an indicator as to what type of DSLR this is planned for)?


well a 90D would have a pop up flash


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## keithcooper (Jul 12, 2019)

Bennymiata said:


> Don't forget, it's only a patent. Not a press release.


Even worse - only a patent application ;-)


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## Lurker (Jul 12, 2019)

CovetedPixel said:


> IBIS in a DSLR for the first time ever? First evidence of IBIS being used in a "mirror slapper"?
> 
> Not sure what you all been smokin', but my Pentax K20D from 2008 (a DSLR or "Mirror Slapper" as you'd call it) had In-Body Sensor based Image Stabilization. So did the K7 that followed and the K5, and the K3 and even the Full Frame K1 and K1mII and I'm sure there were countless other models before and in-between those. So far from the first ever, perhaps the first in a Canon model.



I didn't know that Canon owned Pentax. Maybe the title was edited since your post.


> *IBIS appears in a Canon DSLR for the first time*


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## Canon1966 (Jul 12, 2019)

I love Canon, but it's really long overdue...


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## Xavitxaung (Jul 12, 2019)

Most probably we see it in an EOS 1Dx Mark III, maybe in both systems (APS-C & FF), just because the first competitor is not Sony or Nikon, it is Fujifilm with the recent GFX100.

Do you really prefer an EOS R or a Nikon Z7 or a Sony A9 to a GFX100?


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## unfocused (Jul 12, 2019)

Xavitxaung said:


> Most probably we see it in an EOS 1Dx Mark III, maybe in both systems (APS-C & FF), just because the first competitor is not Sony or Nikon, it is Fujifilm with the recent GFX100.
> 
> Do you really prefer an EOS R...to a GFX100?



I absolutely prefer an EOS R to a GFX 100. I'm really curious behind the reasoning that would lead someone to believe that the GFX 100 is a competitor to the 1Dx II.


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## DrToast (Jul 12, 2019)

LensFungus said:


> I agree, it looks like an APS-C camera body but guys, there is no way Canon will introduce it in an cheap APS-C camera first. Yes, there are expensive APS-C options but according to this page the 7D series moved to mirrorless and the 90D, well, the 80D was popular camera among video guys, but no, I don't see it happen. Come on, we're talking Canon. They will give IBIS to the expensive DSLRs and expensive mirrorless cameras first to lure you into buying one of these. It's been the obvious Canon-move for years.



That’s not what they did with DPAF.


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## keithcooper (Jul 12, 2019)

Xavitxaung said:


> Most probably we see it in an EOS 1Dx Mark III, maybe in both systems (APS-C & FF), just because the first competitor is not Sony or Nikon, it is Fujifilm with the recent GFX100.
> 
> Do you really prefer an EOS R or a Nikon Z7 or a Sony A9 to a GFX100?


Depends entirely on the kind of work I need to do, and I should imagine that applies to most serious photographers without an excess of cash burning holes in their pocket,,,

Now, if you're giving me the camera then yes please I'll take the GFX100

But in terms of spending real money of my own, for my business I'll keep my 5Ds until a replacement turns up

A 1DX 3 would also be nice, if it's being given away but I'm unlikely to buy one for the same reasons that I kept my 1Ds3 until the 5Ds appeared.


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## flip314 (Jul 12, 2019)

Mt Spokane Photography said:


> Patents like this are the result of work done at least 2 years ago and before Canon decided to go full steam ahead on mirrorless. Its not going to happen in today's market where camera sales are dropping so fast.



To get where they are today Canon would have had to been pretty serious about mirrorless R&D for at least 5 years or so, even if the public never heard anything about it.

However, they were probably working on sensor technologies like IBIS in parallel with mirrorless since they already had mature DSLR camera bodies and lenses. Then when you start doing the actual integration of technology, you don't have to wait for mirrorless bodies to be available.


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## criscokkat (Jul 13, 2019)

Mt Spokane Photography said:


> Patents like this are the result of work done at least 2 years ago and before Canon decided to go full steam ahead on mirrorless. Its not going to happen in today's market where camera sales are dropping so fast.


...*or* it will happen because this is part of the new sensor builds at a very base level, so essentially everything using the newest line of sensors (EF, EF-M, R) will have IBIS. Sort of like how almost all new cameras from top to bottom had DPAF almost immediately.


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## justaCanonuser (Jul 13, 2019)

Since we average Canon users are ageing and tremble a bit more than in the old film shooting days, an added IBIS might be a good idea. Sony users already need massive IBIS support since a couple of years to get sharp images... (caution: irony)


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## SecureGSM (Jul 13, 2019)

justaCanonuser said:


> Since we average Canon users are ageing and tremble a bit more than in the old film shooting days, an added IBIS might be a good idea. *Sony users already need massive IBIS support since a couple of years to get sharp images.*.. (caution: irony)



cause holding camera single handedly isn't ideal? just like on the photo below. please note the lens cap position


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## keithcooper (Jul 13, 2019)

This isn't the first patent application that's used this diagram showing a DSLR (I've another one listed from June 13th, that didn't get spotted ;-) )
The ones showing this are looking at image capture problems created by moving the sensor, whether through changes in optical alignment or things such as what happens when you move the sensor whilst the shutter is traversing the sensor. Other IBIS patents look at interactions between lens and body stabilisation.

I'd also noted that the example design of the IBIS unit in several applications is using the same 3 coil/6 magnet design.

For anyone looking for more info, have a look at the many prior art references in the latest particular application.

I agree that this is something Canon have been working on for quite some time so probably has had quite a bit of testing in mirrorless and DSLR bodies.


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## fox40phil (Jul 14, 2019)

PLEASE GIVE IT TO US! or maybe...its 10 years to late for this feature?!
Look at the Pentax K1 with its sensor shifting option! For astro you can expose easy 100s without a rotating system!


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## PerKr (Jul 14, 2019)

Lurker said:


> I didn't know that Canon owned Pentax. Maybe the title was edited since your post.



The title, who knows, but the text states this would be the first ibis in a "mirror-slapper". Which it obviously isn't. The Minolta Dynax (or Maxxum or alpha depending on market I think) 7D did it first and before that the Minolta A2 had it as well. And I think the Sony A900 was the first FF application of IBIS.


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## scyrene (Jul 14, 2019)

MintChocs said:


> They could introduce it in a rebel series to iron out all the kinks and faults. Once it’s fully working then then the pro cameras will get it.



I believe it's easier to stabilise smaller sensors, so in that regard it would be more prudent to introduce it into APS-C first (and as others have said, Canon has introduced plenty of new technology in lower-end cameras before it trickles up).


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## Daner (Jul 15, 2019)

unfocused said:


> Is that a pop-up flash on the drawing? And, is that at all relevant to the patent (as an indicator as to what type of DSLR this is planned for)?



7D Mk II and 80D have pop-up flashes. Wish my 5D Mk IV did, as it came in handy as an easily configurable optical trigger for slave speedlights.


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## justaCanonuser (Jul 19, 2019)

SecureGSM said:


> cause holding camera single handedly isn't ideal? just like on the photo below. please note the lens cap position



Well, if we start to show off our non-Canon gear here: this is my way of holding a non-IBIS camera single-handed  But I have to admit: this one only does work after I pre-focused its manual lens


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## Canon1966 (Jul 19, 2019)

justaCanonuser said:


> Well, if we start to show off our non-Canon gear here: this is my way of holding a non-IBIS camera single-handed  But I have to admit: this one only does work after I pre-focused its manual lens
> View attachment 185733


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## Canon1966 (Jul 19, 2019)

That M6 looks so cool! Glad to see some folks still have film cameras!


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## justaCanonuser (Aug 2, 2019)

Canon1966 said:


> That M6 looks so cool! Glad to see some folks still have film cameras!


Sorry for the extremely late reply. I was extremely busy, including shooting with my Mamiya 6  I love this camera! But, since we are on a Canon forum: I also use 35mm film cameras from Canon, an EOS 3 and a vintage Canon 7 rangefinder (lovely for street, too).


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## Canon1966 (Aug 2, 2019)

justaCanonuser said:


> Sorry for the extremely late reply. I was extremely busy, including shooting with my Mamiya 6  I love this camera! But, since we are on a Canon forum: I also use 35mm film cameras from Canon, an EOS 3 and a vintage Canon 7 rangefinder (lovely for street, too).


That's awesome!


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## justaCanonuser (Aug 2, 2019)

Canon1966 said:


> That's awesome!


Well, the motorwinder of the EOS 3 produces indeed an awesome loud noise, but otherwise it is one of the most advanced 35 mm film cameras I ever used. My vintage Canon 7 is technically the opposite, it is a bit like shooting a Leica M3 - a very puristic experience. I like that. Canon btw made in the late 1950s-1960s some beautiful lenses for its last rangefinder series. Oh yeah, Canon once was a ML camera maker for decades


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