Canon’s big announcements coming the third week of July

[Canon Rumors Guy]

Canon will finally officially announce both the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II the third week of July. We’re not putting an exact date on it yet (a pretty constant failure of ours in recent months), but we have been told that it is still a bit of a “moving” target. That said, we’re

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[landon]

Different!!!
They're buying out some company?

 

[candyman]

Lots of discussion about the possible new Tilt/Shift lenses. I am satisfied with my TS-E 24mm II. However, I hope for some more information about the RF 200-500 f/4 (size, weight, etc.) and the new extender.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Well, my gear fund is sitting and waiting for preorders to go live. So make with the announcements, already!

 

[Richard CR]

Well, my gear fund is sitting and waiting for preorders to go live. So make with the announcements, already!

Soon™

 

[Del Paso]

Reuters went Sony, according to TDP...

 

[DhlcadR6]

Different!!!
They're buying out some company?

Buy Nikon

 

[Besisika]

All I need is a sync speed faster than 1/500th sec. Any Canon camera that has it, I am buying. I don\'t need global shutter, I do need something faster with flash. Whenever it comes out, count me in.

 

[hensoni]

The Olympics starts on Friday 26th July. I fully expect advertising boards around the stadia to be shouting about the R5 MkII. So, Wednesday 24th???

Over the weekend, I had an extended fondle with a Sony A7rV at a camera show. The Sony was available at a greatly discounted price and I was very, very tempted... If the retailer supporting the show had had a Sigma MC11 in stock to try my EF lenses with it, then the wait for my DSLR replacement would have been over.

In other news, one of the photographers at the Barcelona Grands Prix was using a integrated grip bodied Canon (and an FD lens) without any markings on it. It was difficult to determine at HD broadcast quality whether it was the R1 - I couldn't see the little indicator on the left shoulder of the prism, but why would an R3 be disguised? R3 Mk II?

 

[koenkooi]

All I need is a sync speed faster than 1/500th sec. Any Canon camera that has it, I am buying. I don\'t need global shutter, I do need something faster with flash. Whenever it comes out, count me in.

The R3 has a sensor readout speed of about 1/200s, you want one 2.5 times faster, which almost certainly needs a global shutter.

 

[Gendra]

In other news, one of the photographers at the Barcelona Grands Prix was using a integrated grip bodied Canon (and an FD lens) without any markings on it. It was difficult to determine at HD broadcast quality whether it was the R1

Maybe those images of that same body are of better quality? Yes, that's the R1.

The R3 has a sensor readout speed of about 1/200s, you want one 2.5 times faster, which almost certainly needs a global shutter.

The rumored readout speed of the R1 is 2ms (and initial was 0.8ms), so that would result in the desired 1/500th sync speed.
Of course, I am also skeptical about that, but if the R1 is only marginally faster than the R3 and has the same MP count it would be a big disappointment.

 

[rameshk]

Buy Nikon

No. It is more likely that Canon is going to be bought by Apple! That is the position Canon was never in historically (I e., being taken over by some other company)

 

[scyrene]

Well, my gear fund is sitting and waiting for preorders to go live. So make with the announcements, already!

I can make a few suggestions (of what you could buy me)

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

Reuters went Sony, according to TDP...

They did, but Sony lost money on that. Most of the Sony "influencers" got all their kit for free.

I went on a Sony event a few years ago. 3 days paid for. Wined and dined. Hot air balloon ride, a special tour of the San Diego zoo.... some kind of fast sailboat ride (sailing up to an aircraft carrier was... a holy crap moment though! We don't have those in Canada), great restaurants and vino... though it's very much a beer town. Great hotel, play with all their gear. I don't know what they expected inviting me, but I'll take it. I met some cool people that I still talk to and they're extremely talented.

There were 12 of us on that trip..... 6 ended up getting free kits and off they went. Not many are getting rich in this industry, so if you can get all the tools that want and not have to pay for it? Any sort of brand loyalty you may have probably won't matter.

Canon did this sort of stuff in the early nineties to attack Nikon's dominance in certain areas, so it's not a new strategy. It can be effective though, as Canon proved back in the day.

 

[Del Paso]

They did, but Sony lost money on that. Most of the Sony "influencers" got all their kit for free.

I went on a Sony event a few years ago. 3 days paid for. Wined and dined. Hot air balloon ride, a special tour of the San Diego zoo.... some kind of fast sailboat ride (sailing up to an aircraft carrier was... a holy crap moment though! We don't have those in Canada), great restaurants and vino... though it's very much a beer town. Great hotel, play with all their gear. I don't know what they expected inviting me, but I'll take it. I met some cool people that I still talk to and they're extremely talented.

There were 12 of us on that trip..... 6 ended up getting free kits and off they went. Not many are getting rich in this industry, so if you can get all the tools that want and not have to pay for it? Any sort of brand loyalty you may have probably won't matter.

Canon did this sort of stuff in the early nineties to attack Nikon's dominance in certain areas, so it's not a new strategy. It can be effective though, as Canon proved back in the day.

This was exactly BMW's policy in France.
It worked!
BMW became very successful in competing with Mercedes. Inviting customers every year for an aperitf with champagne and foie gras doesn't cost a fortune, and keeps them hooked. (It did cost $50 per capita, including flowers for Madame, average price of a BMW was around euro70000 !).
Can Canon really afford to neglect influencers and agencies in the long term? Time will tell...Sony's success is to a large extent due to such incentives, less to product qualitiy.

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

This was exactly BMW's policy in France.
It worked!
BMW became very successful in competing with Mercedes. Inviting customers every year for an aperitf with champagne and foie gras doesn't cost a fortune, and keeps them hooked. (It did cost $50 per capita, including flowers for Madame, average price of a BMW was around euro70000 !).
Can Canon really afford to neglect influencers and agencies in the long term? Time will tell...Sony's success is to a large extent due to such incentives, less to product qualitiy.

I guess it's a strategy used across all industries. I think it's the first thing a lot of new companies do now to get their stuff out there.

We're working on a Canon has a problem story, it will be coming this week. We've done actual research and talked to people.... it's been fun and eye opening. It has to pass across a few sets of eyes to make sure we don't say anything out of line... but any edits will still be true. We also don't want it to be a hit piece of negativity. There are some problems though.

One does have to look at the dismantling of the CPS program in many countries. Which I have always thought was the wrong direction to take CPS, but I guess part of it has been the push on CarePAK , and it's a forward-facing high margin revenue stream.

We have reached out to Canon about some things, I'm sure that'll go well.

 

[jeffn]

All I need is a sync speed faster than 1/500th sec. Any Canon camera that has it, I am buying. I don\'t need global shutter, I do need something faster with flash. Whenever it comes out, count me in.

How about HSS? I use it all the time with Flash. It works much better than I expected.

 

[mawz]

How about HSS? I use it all the time with Flash. It works much better than I expected.

HSS costs significant flash output power

 

[landon]

This was exactly BMW's policy in France.
It worked!
BMW became very successful in competing with Mercedes. Inviting customers every year for an aperitf with champagne and foie gras doesn't cost a fortune, and keeps them hooked. (It did cost $50 per capita, including flowers for Madame, average price of a BMW was around euro70000 !).
Can Canon really afford to neglect influencers and agencies in the long term? Time will tell...Sony's success is to a large extent due to such incentives, less to product qualitiy.

I think times have changed though. People are catching on to Influencers. They don't have the pull as they used to have. Look at how fast the Stanley Cup fad has come, and about to go out of style.

 

[John Wilde]

"We are working on a story about some of the issues plaguing Canon at the moment,"

I vaguely recall Thom Hogan writing that all three companies were having supply issues, delaying the release of new models.